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Hi Chris,and shapiro Do you know about any american expresstrains (same as the Silver-Line,or any other great lines in US) yet ? I heared many stories of them or i´d see only silouettes of them,but not in real or model action.
:❗ Shapiros sugestion would help.
Chris Loook up these site
http://www.railfan.net/railpix/submit/subphoto.cgi?scotlawrence/NKP-AlcoS4.jpg http://www.davidpride.com/USA/Ohio/images/TrainFestival_020.jpg and Monon here
http://www.herronrail.com/Images/Gallery/mononalco.jpg http://www.monon.org/location/linden8.jpg http://static.flickr.com/27/44465730_e4c457534f.jpg http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=18493 How look above alot pics…. And you can find to Monon and Nickel Plate Road search site…I have those few reskinnings….I don’t know what I ask you.. Are you planning model F7A and B ???
Cheer,
shapiro
Hi Peter, I had found this listing of the 25 greatest American luxury streamliners and domeliners (1945-1970). I believe it addresses your question. You might be able to google the train names for images. All credit to the author.
Diesels and Domes — The Last Gasp for Free Enterprise Luxury Passenger TrainsFrom the years immediately following World War II through the mid 1950s, American railroads embarked on one of the most ambitious, all encompassing and expensive re-equipment programs in the history of any industry, totally financed by their stockholders, for their major passenger trains most likely to have the ability to compete with airplanes and cars. The railroads purchased thousands of the most comfortable, luxurious and modern rail passenger cars ever designed from American Car and Foundry, the Edward G. Budd Company and Pullman Standard. The immediate result was the most magnificent and opulent fleet of streamliners and domeliners ever to grace this planet. Those most preeminent competitions — Broadway vs. Century, City of LA vs. Super Chief — were renewed in spectacular splendor. The latter duo even boasted dueling private dining quarters, the Gold Room vs. the Turquoise Room. Time-honored traditions from the Northeast were kept in style to Florida on the venerable Florida Special and the gleaming Silver Meteor and to Atlanta and New Orleans by the luxurious Crescent. The Southern Pacific enhanced its reputation for Western superlatives with the Pullman built Lark and Shasta Daylight and the Budd built Sunset Limited. 1952 brought, not only Ike, but also, a brand new edition of the Congressional Limited, to Washington. Domes and the cruiseliner concept added a new dimension to overland travel, transforming “getting there” into a destination in itself. Domes showed they were more than novelties with the December 17, 1947 introduction of Burlington’s quintuple domed Twin Zephyrs, providing riders with spectacular views of the Mississippi River — and arch-rival Milwaukee Road’s parallel decisions to equip its competing Hiawathas with Brooks Stevens designed Skytop observation parlor cars and, eventually, with Pullman built full dome lounges. Following, on March 20, 1949, was the inaugural of America’s ultimate cruiseliner, the august California Zephyr, on the spectacularly scenic Burlington-Denver and Rio Grande Western-Western Pacific route between Chicago and the Bay Area. Scheduled to traverse the most breathtaking views of the Colorado Rockies and the Feather River Canyon in daylight hours and opulently equipped by Budd, including both mid train and observation dome lounges, the CZ quickly became the train between the Midwest and San Francisco. On June 6, 1954, Santa Fe added the prestigious Chief name and unparalleled Harvey service to the Chicago-San Francisco market, unveiling the San Francisco Chief, complete with full dome and lounges. Whether viewing Mount Hood or Mount Shasta from the Shasta Daylight, Feather River Canyon and the Rockies from the California Zephyr or Tehachapi from the San Francisco Chief, all compared favorably with any attractions in their fabled San Francisco destination. Spotlight illuminated vistas of the Blue Ridge Mountains and the Shenandoah Valley from a dome seat or from the square end observation lounge on the Capitol Limited matched the magnetism of our nation’s capital. The Ozarks and the Lone Star State from the Texas Eagle’s domes rivaled the legendary allure of “Big D” itself. Big G took full advantage of America’s northernmost transcontinental route with both long and short domes and a round end solarium on its flagship Empire Builder. Not to be outdone, Union Pacific’s plush City of Portland included dome observation with full lounge, dome diner and dome coach. The domes with the most enthralling story to tell had to be those Northern Pacific sleepers which spent springs and summers traversing the prime Pacific Northwest route of the North Coast Limited and winters sunbound in the comely consists of the Panama Limited and the City of Miami. In 1956, the grand Denver Zephyr was completely re-equipped, including square end observation and triple domed excellence. Coach travel reached a crescendo of luxury to Los Angeles and San Francisco in Hi-Level coaches on Santa Fe’s El Capitan and San Francisco Chief.
Unfortunately, in the longer term, this massive investment proved no match for indirectly taxpayer subsidized competition, first from 707s and DC-8s, and later from the Interstate Highway System. With the railroads facing financial ruin, most of the trains listed below, the glorious cream of the final crop, began losing their luster by the mid 1960s. As late as 1964, the Santa Fe provided new and rebuilt equipment for El Capitan and the Super and San Francisco Chiefs and the New York Central comprehensively refurbished both consists of the Twentieth Century Limited, including the two primary and the two spare round end observations. The Broadway, Capitol, Century and Denver Zephyr kept up the time-honored custom of the overnighter, i. e., a full workday before boarding and arriving fresh, well rested and on time for your morning meeting, regardless of the weather, and the last two were even known to run in sections. But, despite these deceptive and rare occurrences, within a few years, twenty-five years after V-E and V-J Days, a grand era was gone forever, to be recaptured, if at all, in history texts. Just as we must preserve the legacies of the bravery, sacrifice and struggles for freedom from the Battles of Britain, Stalingrad, Midway, Guadalcanal, Iwo Jima, D-day, Okinawa and the Battle of the Bulge and from the Cold War, Korea, Vietnam, the Gulf and the Balkans, we owe it to our children and grandchildren and beyond to capture, while we still can, the glories of these magnificent rail cruiseliners, which were every bit as luxurious as, and companions in history to, those other great cruiseliners, the S.S. United States and America, the R.M.S. Queen Mary and Queen Elizabeth, the S.S. Ile de France and France, also of a bygone era. I have gone as far as my health will permit me. My dream of writing the authoritative publication on postwar American streamliners is not to be completed. It is my wish that there will be others who can add floor plans, pictures and text. So, here they are, the magnificent twenty-five, the best and last trains of our free enterprise system and, in this student’s opinion, the most splendid beauties ever to ride our precious rails.
Before Amtrak
The Second Streamliner Era — Post World War II — The Greatest Trains of the Greatest Generation
*Broadway Limited New York-Chicago PRR
*California Zephyr Chicago-San Francisco CB&Q-D&RGW-WP
*Capitol Limited New York(until 4/26/58)-Baltimore-Chicago CNJ-RDG(until 4/26/58)-B&O
*City of Los Angeles Chicago-Los Angeles C&NW(until 10/29/55)-CMStP&P(from 10/29/55)-UP
*City of Portland Chicago-Portland C&NW(until 10/29/55)-CMStP&P(from 10/29/55)-UP
*Coast Daylight Los Angeles-San Francisco SP
*Congressional Limited New York-Washington PRR
*Crescent New York-New Orleans PRR-SR-A&WP-WofA-L&N
*Denver Zephyr Chicago-Denver CB&Q
*El Capitan Chicago-Los Angeles AT&SF
*Empire Builder Chicago-Seattle-Portland CB&Q-GN-SP&S
*Florida Special New York-Miami PRR-RF&P-ACL-FEC(until 1/23/63)-SAL(from 1/23/63)
*Hiawatha Chicago-Minneapolis-St. Paul-(until 5/22/61)Seattle CMStP&P
*Lark Los Angeles-San Francisco SP
*Merchants Limited New York-Boston NY,NH & H
*North Coast Limited Chicago-Seattle-Portland CB&Q-NP-SP&S
*Panama Limited Chicago-New Orleans IC
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San Francisco Chief*Shasta Daylight San Francisco-Portland SP
*Silver Meteor New York-Miami-Tampa PRR-RF&P-SAL
*Sunset Limited New Orleans-Los Angeles SP-T&NO
*Super Chief Chicago-Los Angeles AT&SF
*Texas Eagle St. Louis-Dallas-Ft. Worth-Houston-San Antonio MP-T&P-IGN
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Twentieth Century Limited*Twin Zephyrs Chicago-Minneapolis-St. Paul CB&Q
*Canadian Montreal-Toronto-Vancouver CPR
Honorable mention to this elegant domeliner from our Canadian friends, the equal of any train on this list and also privately financed, before VIA
*City of Miami Chicago-Miami-Tampa IC-CofG-ACL-FEC(until 1/23/63)-SAL(from 1/23/63)
Honorable mention # 26 American postwar luxury streamliner in case you wondered
Hi Shapiro, I had submitted images of A and B units of an F3 for Brainbom’s consideration but the F7 A/B units would do just as nicely.
I still don’t think you fully understand that I (nor the Gov) build the actual models. We add skins-liveries-textures (however you want to call it) to EXISTING RtR models. Think of it as Brainbom delivering the baby while I provide the clothing.
Does that make it clearer?
Hi Peter, Here’s a link to the PBS film, “Streamliners America’s Lost Trains.”
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/streamliners/filmmore/index.html ” class=”bbcode_url”> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/streamliners/filmmore/index.html The site includes a photo gallery.
Regards, Chris
Chris, Yes,that make it clearer..
I readed second above looook great!!!!! i rememebred that those lot history.I’m very interesting.. and Those Nickel Plate Road alot history here
http://nkphts.org/history.html#map andhttp://nkphts.org/history.html#map and Monon herehttp://www.lakemirabel.com/Railroad/Monon1.html#Monon andhttp://mononrr.com/mimages/maps/map_01.gif I hope you will interesting these NKP and Monon history..
Cheer,
shapiro
Those Nebraska Zephyr in Illionis Railway Museum http://www.burlingtonroute.com/gallery/view_photo_properties.php?set_albumName=Locomotives&index=24 http://www.msichicago.org/exhibit/zephyr/index.html themnax made a good point in his earlier post; namely that I’ve neglected skinning a model already in the game. In an effort to correct that, I’ve added the following candidates: Mexican Petroleum Corporation 356
[img]http://www.rtrfan.us/RTR/Exp8/tank_mplx_356.jpg [/img] Merrimac Chemical Company 28
[img]http://www.rtrfan.us/RTR/Exp8/tank_mccx_28.jpg [/img] Mississippi Chemical Corporation 502
[img]http://www.rtrfan.us/RTR/Exp8/tank_micx_502.jpg [/img] U.S. Quartermaster 10140
[img]http://www.rtrfan.us/RTR/Exp8/tank_usqx_10140.jpg [/img] Products Tank Line 76132
[img]http://www.rtrfan.us/RTR/Exp8/tank_px_76132.jpg [/img] Charles Lennig & Co. Inc. 119
[img]http://www.rtrfan.us/RTR/Exp8/tank_tcwx_119.jpg [/img] Texaco 7197
[img]http://www.rtrfan.us/RTR/Exp8/tank_tcx_7197.jpg [/img] The Ohio Cities Gas Company 9092
[img]http://www.rtrfan.us/RTR/Exp8/tank_crx_9092.jpg [/img] Detroit Chemical Works 95
[img]http://www.rtrfan.us/RTR/Exp8/tank_dcwx_95.jpg [/img] L.C. Gillespie & Sons 10034
[img]http://www.rtrfan.us/RTR/Exp8/tank_lcgx_10034.jpg [/img] Keith Tank Lines 546
[img]http://www.rtrfan.us/RTR/Exp8/tank_ktx_546.jpg [/img] Texaco 8246
Hi chris and shapiro, Great Thanx for many infos about the american lines and expresstrains.
I hope can read the shapiros article about the F7 loco with pessenger cars
😉 The Milwaukee Road 20364 box car. 
[img]http://www.rtrfan.us/RTR/Exp8/box_milw_20364.jpg [/img] This is an effort to model the following prototype:
Quote:Like the B&O Wagontop design, the Milwaukee Road’s ribbed side box cars were unique and therefore immediately identifiable in freight consists. In 1939 and 1940, the Milwaukee constructed 3,188 box cars to the ‘early’ design that utilized ribs that extended the full length of the sides. These cars were an engineering advance as they decreased the light weight of the car by approximately one to three tons. This was especially significant to the Milwaukee since many of the loads that originated on its rails tended to reach the maximum weight limit before attaining the maximum cubic capacity of the car.
Peter, if you curiuos these F7 loco with pessenger cars
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milwaukee_Road_class_F7 andhttp://www.germansteam.co.uk/FastestLoco/fastestloco.html http://www.minnesotajones.com/hiawatha_page.htm Chris,
Tankcar and boxcars look great!!!!
Cheer,
shapiro
Hi shapiro, The F7a and b are great machines,and different to our german streamliner.
The curiousest here in germany th 02 and 03-streamliner had to need a shunting loco push train to start but the F7 didn´t need this(start alone).
Did you know it?.
😉 Hi chris,
The car park you skined looks really great.
Hi, Yes, of course it would be great to have F7 or F3 A and B units! As BrainBombers have announced new American objects, I think there is some hope that this really classical locomotive of the US railways will be released.
But again, Braimbombers, please don’t forget your users who wants to build European prototype layouts and release some new European rolling stock, too!
For me personally it’s easy as I will be excited about every Santa Fe rolling stock. But to build a Swiss mountain railway with some SBB rolling stock would of course be great, too!
Kind regards,
Willi
Okay, I think that does it as far as this extension pack is concerned. My next task will be to revisit my offerings in extension pack seven and redesign them (within the constraints of the model) to more accurately reflect the construction of the prototype as I’ve done with this latest Milwaukee Road #20364 candidate.
I can offer them as replacement *dds files to anyone interested. They can be added to the game without the intervention of Brainbom (backing up the original file first of course).
Regards, Chris
Hi Chris I like the new tanker’s, but I have never seen any railroads out west, here where I live that run short boxcars like the ones you have pictured. Though I must say that the graphics look great on them.
Rick
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